tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post6496933307754598504..comments2023-11-02T10:43:15.185+00:00Comments on DENVERSTROPE: Labour Leadership Rumours, Chapter 112Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post-2678179502617325482009-09-20T02:02:02.074+01:002009-09-20T02:02:02.074+01:00Your views of these problems are always welcome, H...Your views of these problems are always welcome, Holey. Mainly because they're always illuminating and extremely well-expressed :)Jon Lishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272058035800593800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post-37226863927332507422009-09-14T21:57:50.876+01:002009-09-14T21:57:50.876+01:00Thanks Mr D, you're too kind, as ever, and the...Thanks Mr D, you're too kind, as ever, and there is plenty of tone here; that much I know for certain =)<br /><br />It is nice to think that Mandelson's last push of dishonesty might actually destroy Labour - it's oft repeated that the Tories want Brown to stay in place; makes sense, on reflection.<br /><br />Hat tip to Mr Spidey for having a better view of the problem!black hole sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13754977921603292534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post-52072050543055226852009-09-14T00:19:13.908+01:002009-09-14T00:19:13.908+01:00*whose o*whose oJon Lishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272058035800593800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post-88881432771591203542009-09-14T00:17:26.144+01:002009-09-14T00:17:26.144+01:00"Aren't loyalists, by definition, cunts?&..."Aren't loyalists, by definition, cunts?"<br /><br />I'll remember that one, BHS ;) And you're not lowering the tone (there is no tone to lower on this blog!). And I'm seldom shocked by the truth. Just constantly infuriated by it.<br /><br />I wouldn't be too worried about Mandelson. He might be a slithering, smarmy, spivvy operator and cunning linguist - hell, he might even be a scary 'heavyweight' to some. But to me he has and always will be second rate because, in the end, he's got no ideals, no credibility, and he's got no code. He's a cypher. To-the-manor-born but bereft of that one thing that makes a decent politician out of the privileged British classes: patriotism.<br /><br />People like that are always cut down in the end in this country. He's a walking resignation-waiting-to-happen, living in the shadows of far better men, not least his own grandfather's. Basically, he's a waste of space who'll get what's coming to him soon enough (politically).<br /><br />I think Spidey's right. Let's take the cynical view and hope that vain twats like Mandelson, who's hypocrisy is only matched by his avarice, pulling the strings of the "ruinous farce" that is Labour (as you put it so well), keep Broon in place for the duration. The country's fucked anyway. The consequent annihilation Labour will suffer at the GE will at least guarantee that they won't be able to irritate the Tories while they get on with the long, hard job of unfucking Labour's Britain (again).<br /><br />Mandelson IS New Labour: full of shit and just about finished anyway. <br /><br />That's why I rarely blog about her ;)Jon Lishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272058035800593800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post-89536689005852233132009-09-13T23:13:56.405+01:002009-09-13T23:13:56.405+01:00It's a horrible sight, this creeping Labour se...It's a horrible sight, this creeping Labour senility; no more edifying than watching two cockroaches fight over the remains of a dung beetle - except there's too much at stake not to take it seriously.<br /><br />Sheerman, an MP in this neck of the woods, is big cheese in education - which is one of Labour's strong points, I think we can all agree - and a "serialist loyalist" to boot, whatever that is.<br /><br />Apologies for lowering the tone, but, aren't "loyalists", by definition, cunts? Isn't one of the most significant and defining characteristics of this ruinous farce that passes for UK parliamentary democracy the fact that a "my party, right or wrong" mindset amongst MPs has lead to "my party, always wrong" outcome? Sheerman, then, comes across as just another grievous party stooge.<br /><br />I can't help but think that the elephant in the room on this is Peter Mandelson. I get the impression that if Mandy's interests are best served by keeping Brown in place, the "rebels" will find themselves outplayed at every step - to the extent that it's a game of the 'dark arts', the rest aren't in the same league.black hole sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13754977921603292534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8278366793340877738.post-68309974358466417802009-09-13T21:27:28.471+01:002009-09-13T21:27:28.471+01:00In one way, he has to go, in another way, he is gr...In one way, he has to go, in another way, he is greatly diminished but could still cling on given the uselessness of the previous attempts to oust him. In one way, you can't have someone like Brown with his finger on the nuclear trigger, in another way, he would most certainly be stopped from using it. So, where am I going with this, D? I would personally rather he was kept in place but severely restricted because of his weakness and then, as you said, the public will never, never forgive them and the Tories will win by a landslide. Labour would die a slow, painful death, never to be seen again or at least remain as small a threat as the Lib Dems.Barking Spiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968827142725464915noreply@blogger.com