Burry Port: Twinned With Tripoli

"Jaw-dropping", I suppose, is one way of describing this latest piece of Welsh Labourist nasty lunacy. I simply could not believe my pork pies when I read in the Western Mail what a Carmarthen councillor (and parliamentary hopeful, would you believe - not any more!) has been up to. Have a butchers:

WELSH Labour confirmed last night it was investigating a councillor and brass band chairman in connection with a “foul and abusive” phone message that has been posted on YouTube.

Carmarthen Labour councillor Marc Scaife, who has put his name forward for selection as the party’s parliamentary candidate in Carmarthen East & Dinefwr, left on Wednesday for a controversial tour of Libya with Burry Port Town Band.

The band have been criticised for continuing with the tour – part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi coming to power – after the release last week of the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing.

In the phone message, a man who identifies himself as Marc Scaife, uses highly offensive language to berate a 19-year-old member of the band who pulled out of the Libyan tour at a late stage, creating a perceived security problem.

The caller is heard saying: “Listen very f****** carefully. You are a f****** idiot...There’s a massive security risk because of you. Do you realise what’s actually going on? Is anything going on in your tiny little mind?

“We are supposed to be playing in front of some of the biggest world leaders out there. Security is 100% tight and it includes the British Royal Family.

“I expect you to sort this f****** thing out. You go up there, you sort it out or expect a call from MI5. All right?

“I’ve had some serious explaining to do because of your irresponsible actions. Call me back as soon as you get this f****** message or I’ll be driving over to your parents’ house tonight to speak to them.

“Wise up, s***head.”

The band member who pulled out of the trip posted the audio tape of the phone call on YouTube. Subsequent messages on the site in the name of Mr Scaife said: “You forgot to tell everybody that you withdrew from the tour on Saturday with just four days to go, leaving us with a gap to fill. Your irresponsibility beggars belief. I’m surprised that you are happy to broadcast this fact.

“I don’t regret losing my temper with you – you deserved it. I stick to my opinions given in the recorded message. I suggest you listen to the actual words used and take note.

“I suspect you are going to get many similar confrontations from others in the future due to your ineptitude. I suggest you abandon your cry-baby ‘I’m just 19’ approach and act like a man – learn to act responsibly!”

The band member responds, saying: “I have not tried to adopt any cry-baby approach. I am merely pointing out that if I as a teenager can try to act in a mature and civilised manner to sort things out, there is something seriously wrong when a man over twice my age resorts to abusive and childlike rants. Indeed displaying your message on YouTube may be considered immature, but I am only trying to make people aware of the vile and foul attitude I have been dealing with.”

Explaining his position in another posting, the band member said: “I had to withdraw from the trip to Libya due to working commitments and the prospect of losing my job, something I was unwilling to risk in the current economic climate.

“I warned Marc Scaife this might be the case over a week ago and confirmed this on Friday. I have acknowledged the inconvenience this could cause and have been most apologetic.”

It is understood that the band member was one of a number of musicians recruited to go to Libya because long-standing members were unavailable.

A Welsh Labour spokesman said: “The party disassociates itself from the foul and abusive language used in this telephone message. We will be contacting Mr Scaife in order to verify the authenticity of the message and to seek an explanation for this situation.

“The matter concerned is not a Welsh Labour event over which the party has any control. This is not the behaviour we would expect of any elected representative of Welsh Labour.”

Mr Scaife had last night not responded to a detailed message left on his mobile phone by the Western Mail.

According to the Burry Port Town Band’s website, Mr Scaife is 41 and plays solo trombone. He has previously played with the Suffolk Fire Service, Colchester, Crwbin and Clacton brass bands. His occupation is listed as “real estate, Bulgaria”, although it is understood that he works as a relief chef.

Bad enough a Labourist brass band has flown out to Tripoli to "celebrate" Gaddafi's 40 year-long dictatorship (why?!). If nothing else, it's heroically bad timing. But to bully and verbally abuse a 19 year old just because he rightly dropped out after being threatened with unemployment is simply evil. And the reference to MI5 is just bizarre.

What kind of people are thugs like Scaife? I'll tell you: they're the kind of people who should be removed from office immediately. Scaife should not only be kicked-out, he should be told to stay put in Libya. Why not? If he, like so many other modern Labourists, feels such a strong affinity for tyrannical regimes, he should try living under one for a (long, long) while.

I just wonder what ideas he'll be bringing home with him, is all. Not healthy ones for him, given his proclivity for violent outbursts, or for anyone his council governs in sleepy old Burry Port, I would hazard. But don't take my word for it, listen to the voicemail yourself on the newspaper's website.

Unbelievable.

Btw, the Scaife person makes a fleeting appearance in this ITN report from two days ago. How would you like him as your future MP? Quite.

A Sane Voice In Swansea

Rene Kinzett: Clearly Sane

I was pleasantly surprised to receive a comment from René Kinzett, leader of the Conservative opposition on Swansea City council. His correction in his cheerful message of a predictable but nonetheless very shoddy inaccuracy in my previous post was most welcome, and not a little entertaining.

Here's what he had to say:

Just a quick point of correction - the "crew" running Swansea are a bunch of directionless LibDems supported by a group of "independents" who range from former communists, former Welsh Nationalists, disgruntled former Labour Party members and the extreme right (including one councillor who delivered BNP-designed leaflets in the 2004 elections). Labour ran the Council up until 2004.

René Kinzett
Conservative Opposition Leader
Swansea Council

His blog is pretty good too...

I am rather glad he's taken the trouble to point out my glaring error. If I'm going to take an interest in local(ish) politics, I suppose I ought to take the trouble to get my facts straight. Must try harder (a bit like the Lib Dims and the Labourists, in other words).

And on the subject of the lunatic fringe, Mr Kinzett pointed-out in an excellent post some days ago that the medical profession in Swansea took a very dim view of the forced sterilisation argument put forward by certain nutters on the council:

The two Independent Councillors who made bizarre comments in favour (to varying degrees) of compulsory sterilisation have been publicly horse-whipped by the City's medical profession in the pages of today's South Wales Evening Post.

The two Councillors, who make up part of the ruling LibDem-led coalition on Swansea Council, have continued to remain silent on the issue - but, of course, we do have an email from one of the alleged offenders, in which she attempts to explain that her preferred method of social engineering involves only the use of enforced contraception, so that's all right then!

As someone said to [me] the other day, "only in Swansea!".

Indeed. Or Berlin circa 1938, perhaps.

Swansea City Council Harbouring Nazis?

Swansea City Council Debate Compulsory Sterilisation

Difficult to imagine a more unpleasant bunch of scary, authoritarian, craven Labourist politicos than the crew governing Swansea City Council, a Labour stronghold seemingly in perpetuity. Having spent decades religiously creating conditions of social dependency first by destroying local schools and then by developing a benefits system which rewards socially and morally irresponsible behaviour, they've finally woken-up to the fact that Swansea (like so many other Labour cities) is basically a social disaster area. Naturally, they will never admit that they and their manifestly tainted socialism are to blame for the situation, but at least they have admitted things can't go on the way they are - mainly because their dear leader in Westminster has run out of our money.

But their solution? Well, one of the ideas discussed by these moronic proto-nazis is - enforced sterilisation! Yup, they want to inflict medical procedures on the very people they've betrayed - for being unfit parents. Simply incredible. I guess it never occurred to them that this might be a little bit controversial. Or that habeas corpus would most-likely forbid such an evil policy in any case. Or that they themselves are evidently far sicker than the people they are decrying and seek to target with this brutality. It's not a case of "you couldn't make it up". It's more "no one in their right mind would ever want to make it up". Truly horrifying stuff.

Don't believe me? Read on...

SWANSEA councillors were labelled extremists by political rivals as the row over compulsory sterilisation rumbled on.

Councillor Alan Robinson, cabinet member for community regeneration, and councillor Wendy Fitzgerald, who is the council's presiding officer, both walked out as a Labour group motion calling for an unequivocal stance on sterilisation was brought up for discussion.

Asked why she was leaving, Councillor Fitzgerald replied: "I have legal issues at this time and I don't think it would be appropriate that I am in the chamber."

Allegations had arisen last week that comments about sterilisation had been made at a council seminar — involving officers and elected members — on how to improve Swansea's under-fire children and family services.

A number of councillors who were at that meeting gave their version of what had been said.

Councillor David Phillips said: "He (councillor Robinson) stated that parents who had children in care should be prevented from having more children, saying, 'If they can't look after what they've got, we should stop them having any more'.

"He did not dispute my accusation that he was advocating forced sterilisation.

"He defended his right to hold such views, and was supported by councillor Wendy Fitzgerald, who said, 'Some places do it'."

Councillor John Miles said he was shocked "the very thought had come out of these people's minds".

He said: "The officers sat there aghast when the comments were made.

"To try to say the comments were not as recorded are completely false.

"Immediately after these comments were made, members of all parties divorced themselves from them."

Councillor Audrey Clement said "enforced sterilisation" were two words that made her sick, but she accused Councillor Phillips of swearing seven times as the alleged comments triggered angry exchanges. She added: "All Councillor Fitzgerald said was that these things happen in countries abroad."

Councillor Paxton Hood- Williams said: "I have heard administration members denying the comments were said. Unfortunately, they were said."

During Thursday night's impassioned debate, a printed email from Councillor Fitzgerald — sent to councillor Paxton Hood- Williams and another councillors following last week's seminar row — was circulated in the chamber.

Referring to the seminar, Councillor Fitzgerald said: "As a point of interest, had councillor David Phillips managed to stop bellowing for just a few seconds, I could have elaborated and advised that what is happening in some European countries is actually long- term contraception, not by using pills or anything that can be missed or avoided, but by implants and similar.

"It is not sterilisation as such, as it is easily reversible."

During Thursday night's debate, Councillor Phillips said it was "contemptuous" of Councillor Robinson and Councillor Fitzgerald to leave the chamber without explaining or justifying their positions.

He called upon council leader Chris Holley to "rid his administration of these extremists".

The heated debate invoked eugenics, the Third Reich, the Geneva and Rome conventions, Alf Garnett and George Orwell's novel about political tyranny, 1984.

Conservative group leader councillor Rene Kinzett said the alleged sterilisation comments had brought the authority into disrepute.

"They make us a laughing stock," he said.

"It's mad, it's completely insane."

Councillor Mark Child said: "If some people are not good at being parents, or have children without planning to, the answer is not biological intervention, it's social intervention."

Councillors voted to support the motion which said it's unacceptable to express the view that parents of children in care should be prevented from having any more children.

Quite. And as a solution for bad parenting (for unwanted children, actually - but they are too dishonest to admit that) this is rather, well, final...

Whatever else comes of this row, there are two things you can guarantee. First, the mindbogglingly twisted Labourists who suggested these wicked ideas will not be expelled - though expelled they should immediately be. Second, because these self-same Labourists created the swelling underclass that they are now attacking, and manipulated them into the condition of state dependency which requires them to keep voting for the dealer-party, they will never be kicked out of office in that city, something they so richly deserve for the terrible damage they have done.

For Swansea, read a dozen other cities up and down the country. And you wonder why I hate the Labour Party and all that it represents with such a passion...